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Inconvenient Truth

Inconvenient Truth

24/11/2016

Anton Schutte

Anton Schutte

I dont care where he and mike and their spawn move to, I will help them pack. wheels24

10/11/2016

eduard

eduard

What did you expect of an edomitejew.

10/11/2016

Guest

Guest

wheels24 If few nations have a lower life expectancy at birth than Swaziland, why is Nathan Kirsch still alive? http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2015/03/25/spicy-billionaire-heres-the-absa-deposit-slip-showing-r9m-donated-to-the-eff-image/

10/11/2016

Afrikanus

Afrikanus

Of course once again this is only a single case, you cannot shear them over one comb (lump them together), in general the refugees are well adapted, in many cases beter educated than the ethnic Germans, the crime rate is sinking and Germany can breathe a sigh of relieve again. So the narrative goes, and a large part of the population is living in the Valley of the Ignorant because they only follow the public broadcasters and the local rags and what is being taught at school. In my experience there still remain enough people who for news purposes are not computerwise and try to avoid technology and difficult politics if they do not need to do so. Dresden once was called The Valley of the Ignorants, as they could not receive Western TV broadcasts during GDR times. Those closer to the West-German borders could. It seems that the tables have been turned today. Parts of the former GDR are not ignorant anymore, but it seems the same could not be said for the affluent Western-Germany. As in South Africa it is panem et circenses - in South Africa rugby, in Germany soccer and endless mindless talk shows on TV.

20/12/2016

bucklesandrings

bucklesandrings

Pity there is no picture of the knut. We as taxpayers have some right to decent treatment too you bloody emperors in government.

18/09/2017

Rhino_sore_ass

Rhino_sore_ass

Ah yes. The new & unimproved SA...

18/09/2017

logicuser88

logicuser88

agreed...but South African protocol dictates that it's employees get the maximum benefits while doing the least...Nation Wide!

18/09/2017

Rhino_sore_ass

Rhino_sore_ass

Why reward the a**hole? There's no punishment in that... More like: "i think an 18 month suspension OF full pay will suffice..."

18/09/2017

logicuser88

logicuser88

i think an 18 month suspension on full pay will suffice...

13/09/2017

Krokodil Botha

Krokodil Botha

France, Germany & England will supply the anc government with more, they will bribe the anc with luxury mercedes benz cars.

10/10/2017

Rooikop

Rooikop

Many of these are inside jobs.

02/10/2017

bucklesandrings

bucklesandrings

North Korea is a carbuncle festering on China's backside.

25/10/2017

Kelly Skinner

Kelly Skinner

How is it an insult?Let's hear it please.

16/11/2017

Linda von Holdt

Linda von Holdt

Fortunately some of us have studied and read. We don't claim to be experts but our opinions definitely differ

13/11/2017

ctulpa

ctulpa

If Kruger does not take drastic measures to reduce the overpopulated elephants, they will lose more than that from starvation. The Kruger elephants have destroyed almost all the canopy trees that used to be plentiful in Kruger. It may already be too late for them as they have destroyed the habitat. Let's see everyone here crying when the Kruger elephants crash from starvation. People need to wake up. You can try to slam Ron Thomson, who is not a hunter, but an elephant and wildlife manager for 58 years. For 24 of those years he was employed by the Rhodesian Department of National Parks and Wildlife Management, including posts held as Provincial Game Warden-in-charge Hwange National Park; Chief Nature Conservation Officer, Ciskei; and Director of the Bophuthatswana National Parks Board. Ron has more elephant experience than any living person in Africa. He has written several books about elephants and elephant management. He has a deep commitment for the preservation and conservation of wildlife, and has the experience to make informed decisions about elephants. Mr Thomson has written many books on elephants, their behaviour and elephant conservation. He is regarded as the top authority for understanding elephant management in Africa. So for all you people posting angry comments and not knowing what you are writing about, you should read and learn so you can understand that wildlife preservation begins with the soil, plants and habitat, not the animal. Please take some time to read about the plight of the Kruger elephants. They are in a sad and difficult situation right now. Hard choices must be made. No one is saying to put those elephants out for hunters. Culling is not hunting. Ron in no way wants to kill any elephants. It is his concern is for the greater good and future for the elephants to survive. Sometimes hard decisions must be made that no one wants, but is much better than the alternative of the herd crashing from starvation, and the loss of entire biodiversity because no one wants to manage the population of elephants. You can read much more to understand the issue about the elephants: https://www.mahohboh.org/

10/11/2017

ctulpa

ctulpa

Lower in many areas of Africa, but way overpopulated in some areas. You can't use a continent figure for local populations.

10/11/2017

Linda von Holdt

Linda von Holdt

The hunters opinions are not credible. There is no mention of his qualifications other than killing!

08/11/2017

Stephanie Fuchs

Stephanie Fuchs

Thank you Simon for your reply. I look forward to reading your report on this issue.

07/11/2017

joao

joao

listen to this informed opinion :

06/11/2017

Madeleine Edwards

Madeleine Edwards

Well I am European, I don't know Africa very well and have only spent a little while in the Kruger and I don't know Ron Thompson.You may ask how does she qualify to join this discussion? Because I am European and we are fed, almost daily, beautiful programs about Africa with cute elephant babies, sweet lion cubs ,the naughty poachers,the plight of the rhino. We happily go on safari and watch these magnificent beasts grazing on bushes next to your vehicle totally unaware what an overpopulation of elephants really means. After all we return home full of stories about our encounters with them.However, I can see that Ron Thompson is not writing his article from a hunters point of view, but as a conservationist who cares about the sustainability of the environment. His solution of culling fills me with horror, elephants starving to death has an equal affect, but I understand that a solution has to be found soon I order to preserve the biodiversity of the Kruger. Therein lies a problem. If the only solution would be culling of elephants and the fall out that has been mentioned in previous posts (relationships between herds, a scared elephant is a dangerous one etc) to preserve the biodiversity and the ' lesser' species, millions of us would take to the street in protest, emotions riding high. Because we only know what has been shown to us via the media and we never get the true picture from people who really know.We are guilty, to a large extent of letting this situation get out of hand, if indeed this is the case. We just don't know and understand the real situation. Culling elephants, impossible to discuss without emotion and whoever suggests this as an answer will be, to put it mildly, disliked. I can absolutely appreciate the problem and that it has to be dealt with in the very near future to protect the Kruger for many more generations but i have absolutely no answer to this emotionally charged issue.

05/11/2017

Angela

Angela

This man needs to be stopped and brought to court and thrown in jail

05/11/2017

Angela

Angela

This murdering must STOP !! we will have no animals left , they need to have their land back and free to roam. The greed of humans must stop their Egos and their pocket books !! It's an atrocity

05/11/2017

Walter Tingle

Walter Tingle

Realistically put Brian.This is how it is, not how we'd prefer..

04/11/2017

AfricaGeo Editorial

AfricaGeo Editorial

Hi Brain, Your comment is there. The software that we use (Disqus) automatically removes lengthy comments and places them in a file for review as possible spam. We conduct this review once a day. To avoid this it's best to reduce word count ;-)

03/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

That is exactly what has happened in Tanzania Im afraid. I worked there for 13 years, Tanzania has no culling policy in their parks. It is wildlife protection. Culling is unknown. Elephants seem to increase rather rapidly , reach a good population size, and then the poachers move in.... Elephant numbers have declined by 80 percent in Ruaha and Selous, due to out of control poaching, involving government institutions. The government of Tanzania, rather than admit that there is a general breakdown of law and order, rather tried to shift the blame to the controlled trophy hunting industry.

03/11/2017

J Stuckey

J Stuckey

WTH, "celebrated"... by who? 'Like minded' killers? Trophy hunting is thrill killing, the man is no different than a serial killer, keeping souvenir trinkets (body parts) and all - Killing is not conservation, it is just killing. The intentional, systematic and/or ritualistic barbaric slaughter of fellow sentient beings makes us all less human & this lack of wonder, compassion, empathy, and basic respect for the lives of our fellow Earthlings obviously directly threatens our own existence. The corrupted ideology of human supremacy will eventually destroy us and our living planet (we're currently doing a fairly superior bang-up job). So this is more of the same garbage regurgitated by hunters, so as to try and gain the opportunity to have a murderfest - trophy hunting is a dark stain on our shared humanity... WE HAVE NO RIGHT!

03/11/2017

Brain

Brain

Why was my response to Lex Hes deleted?

03/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

Thanks, Jamie.

03/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

Sorry that you took that personally, Mike. what does LOL mean please? Actually I do believe animals have rights,for example they have the right to a decent life, I actually sympathize with a lot that the animal rights movement stands for, at the same time I think this movement has a lot of money behind it from wealthy urban people , who really have little understanding of wildlife management issues. And it seems I stand corrected by Jamie Smith, in that AG has become more ballanced with time.

03/11/2017

Alex Kendziorski

Alex Kendziorski

Killing 88% of any species in an ecosystem is collapse, not management. Assuming this is valid, and a hunter recommending hunting is not a hammer and nail approach, it means Kruger is not a functioning ecosystem. More habitat, intact migration corridors. If it is not functioning as an ecosystem, it is a zoo.

03/11/2017

Brain

Brain

Hello, Lex. Wanted to respond to your comments, point by point: 1. Nature cannot self-regulate properly when it's fenced. Kruger National Park has too many elephants, resulting in a loss of biodiversity. Relocation is insanely expensive, and even if some elephants do get relocated, there wouldn't be enough in South Africa's budget to relocate the necessary amount of elephants to restore the ecosystem. And even if they did, where would the elephants go? There are few places left; most fenced in reserves that have elephants are already at max capacity. 2. This isn't rocket science: rhinos are grazers (white rhino) and browsers (black rhino). The elephants of Kruger National Park are no longer migratory (see first answer regarding fences), and as such, are depleting the ecosystem of food that would otherwise be eaten by other browsers and grazers. A single adult elephant can eat up to an average of 226 kg per day. Multiply that by the estimated number of elephants in Kruger (12 000), with the knowledge that they are primarily grazers (same as white rhinos) and you can easily see that rhinos will eventually become locally extinct, not to mention that they're already being poached at unprecedented rates for their horns. 3. You're right, the natural world doesn't work on stable numbers, but dynamic changes. However, Kruger is not technically a wilderness; it is a fenced in park. Humans live on all sides of it. They will not relocate because you want them to. The government won't move them because you want them to. Try as you might, Kruger, though beautiful, is a park, not a wilderness. Ergo, nature cannot rely on dynamic changes. It requires wildlife management. 4. Scientists do understand carrying capacity in a managed ecosystem through a combination of measurements (e.g. statistical analyses, bell curves, algorithms designed with environmental variables, changes and aberrations, etc.) Once more, this all points to the simple fact that Kruger is fenced, not free. 5. Trees must be protected in a confined area. Were this true wilderness, we could simply let nature sort it out, but as you can clearly see through each counterargument, Kruger is not true wilderness. The sad fact is that most parks remaining in Africa cannot survive without human intervention. We need humans to protect wildlife from poachers because they cannot look after themselves. We need humans to mitigate human-wildlife conflict when animals stray from a park or reserve. And we need to ensure biodiversity in lieu of single species management.

03/11/2017

Atholl Mitchell

Atholl Mitchell

Dex, I so agree with your sentiments!!!!! It is so ironic that the reason for all these discussions is the simple fact that animals have been "contained" at the want and behest of HUMANS!!!! What a joke. Why not apply the same principle to the Human Race? We are breeding far too quickly and for a supposed "intelligent" species are causing all these decisions to be made. I know this is an age old topic, but it is rather disturbing when in the same NG news letter the next item is to do with mans inability to live without communication - BAN SATELLITE AND CELL PHONES IN THE WILD!!!!!

03/11/2017

Gail Mckay

Gail Mckay

It is impossible to subscribe to the opinions of an advocate of hunting.....hunters have wiped out lions in Liuwa valley in Zambia over the past 50 years....they just seem to change their aim to another species. This is in the name of self gratification NOT best practice.

03/11/2017

Jhm0699

Jhm0699

The main problem is the high concentration of elephants in Kruger. Establishing elephant corridors between countries has been talked about for years. It's time to stop talking and start acting. There are areas in Africa with very few or no elephants and then those like Kruger with too many. If they were to spread out through the corridors this discussion would be a moot point and people like Thomson could be gagged. But once the corridors are established the governments would have to enforce the safety of those corridors and prevent people from inhabiting them. No more rogue villages crowding out the wildlife. With the current poaching rates and reducing Kruger's elephant population to 2500, it won't be long before Kruger will be devoid of elephants. What a profoundly sad state that would be for everyone.

03/11/2017

Brain

Brain

Or they eat everything in a fenced in reserve and unwittingly cause an extreme loss in biodiversity - the starvation and death of countless other species.

03/11/2017

Mike Bromwich

Mike Bromwich

100% right on the rhino population crash, they died before the elephant numbers crashed. Parks in southern Africa are finite in area and whether one likes it or not animal populations require management if plant and animal diversity is to be maintained.

03/11/2017

Simon Espley

Simon Espley

Thanks Lex. Wise words...

03/11/2017

Lex Hes

Lex Hes

I haven't read Thomson's full article, but a couple of comments on the main points of this summary: 1. If leaving elephants to die is no better or no less cruel than culling, then we don't have to worry about doing culling. Nature will do it for us. 2. On what information does he base the statement that rhinos will crash if elephant numbers increase? 3. "Dynamically Stable" numbers is a complete contradiction in terms. The natural world doesn't work on stable numbers, it works on dynamic changes in numbers on a constant basis. Animal numbers rise and fall according to environmental conditions and these rises and falls contribute to the healthy working of the ecosystem. 4. Further to this, there is no way that any scientist can know for sure what the "carrying capacity" of any landscape is at any given moment in time, because there are so many environmental conditions that change this "carrying capacity" constantly. 5. Thomson goes back to a very old-fashioned idea that trees must be protected. The trees and other plants in African ecosystems have been subjected to "damage" from elephants and other animals over thousands of years and it is exactly this kind of activity that has shaped the ecosystems into what they are today. If we all have a better understanding of how ecosystems work, we'll begin to understand that human management options on actually more destructive.

03/11/2017

Rodney Genricks

Rodney Genricks

Ron Thomson first and foremost is a highly qualified conservationists besides others collecting and preserving the largest egg collection for the study and research of birds he has spent his life studying the symbiotic relationships between the soil, plants and animals so his conclusions are not based on emotional issues. The conclusions he has come to are based on years of practical experience and the Kruger National Park is in a desperate position as far as it's habitat is concerned and cannot support its elephant any longer. Single species protectionist continue to spread total false perceptions but whenever they are placed in a debate with a person like Ron Thomson they simply have no answer except one based with tears in the eyes... "Please save the ........ " this while the funds roll in for one or another cause that is simply based on the emotional horror portray by these ARAS. It is time to distinguish from those that make a noise and those who know what they are talking about.

03/11/2017

Paul Phelan

Paul Phelan

The message that is coming through and is correct ,is that we have local populations of elephant which exceed the habitat carrying capacity . This is causing habitat destruction and massive loss of biodiversity . Protected areas are not set aside for elephant alone and as such populations need to be kept in balance , be it by the removal of those in over population, by capture and relocation or by euthanazing them . We in wild life have our backs to the wall . If capture is the route then those in favour please raise R100 000 per elephant and a suitable area for relocation.We can then proceed . Mud slinging does not help to solve a very accute problem in our protected areas .

03/11/2017

Ernie Meyer

Ernie Meyer

The numbers don't add up...as is there is only 30% of the original elephants left due to poaching.

03/11/2017

Monica Gilbert

Monica Gilbert

In the days of the Raj, Ron Thomson would have been hailed as a messiah. These days he is considered a fossil whose glory days of slaughtering thousands of elephants and other creatures is seen as anathema by those who understand the intelligence and family hierarchy of elephants.

03/11/2017

Jamie Smith

Jamie Smith

Pete Murless. If you search on the African Geographic blogsite as I just did (to test your claim) you would have found plenty of posts that would suggest a somewhat more level-headed editorial ambit than you suggest. Two examples: https://africageographic.com/blog/hunting-tourism-namibia/ and https://africageographic.com/blog/a-namibians-view-on-hunting-in-his-home-country/.

02/11/2017

Jaco Zeeman

Jaco Zeeman

A bit ofthinking is what I did after reading Rons' suggestion and all the comments below. May I play devil’s advocate?! I assume that all those of you against the culling of excess elephants lives with all of their family members and friends in one house since the 15th century? I assume they share and eat the same amount of food that was in the house 500 years ago without increasing the amount or volume!? I assume that the young ones in the family and their elders, all die of malnutrition or hunger until there are such numbers of people in the house that can survive on the historical food supply, increase till death and the strongest keep on surviving! I assume that those against culling have hundreds of dogs and cats in there yards and houses, feeding and caring for them! Okay, I assumed wrong! All the friends have their own houses and all the grown up "children" live elsewhere in other geographical areas. Everyone sources his/her food, which was produced elsewhere, from outside the original pool or source! All access animals were given to friends, family, all and sundry or sterilized etc.! Simply because your food source and space is restricted! However, all of you expect the elephants to survive on the piece of land that was put aside for them AND all the other species animlas and then thrive and live on it without any interference (read management) from those that created the situation. The animals that suffers the most are not the elephants because they can walk 30-50km per day to water and food! The wildebeest, zebra, eland, tsetsebe, duiker, steenbuck and others cannot. The reptiles and smaller mammals living under dead plant material, thick bushes etc. does not have cover or food because the elaphants have right of "way" if I may use that term. The birds that needs high trees to nest in does not have enough trees to sustain their respective populations. And so I can go on and on and on …. With logic! Are the elephants more important than all the other animals combined?! Can allowing the elephant population to destroy all the other animals’ habitat been called conservation? Have you seen the Chobe National Park in Botswana lately? Have you seen certain parts of the Kruger lately? Don’t allow those animals that are huge and in your eyes allow you to diminish the beauty and importance of all the smaller animals, which habitat is destroyed daily by increasing numbers of elephants. Now, you will probably say that more land must be given to them! From where? You will probably say that humans must decrease their numbers for the animals to have more land and thrive! Will you set the example and start with yourself and your family? When humans interfered many years ago, for the sake of conservation, management of these same animals and habitat they wanted to protect, became a reality. The same with animals in a fenced (or for that matter unfenced) area. Part of management is unfortunately managing numbers. The words culling, killing etc. sound harsh however; animal management is a harsh reality. Life for to many animals locked up in a million square kilometer area is harsh! Not only for the huge ones, but for the small ones, birds, reptiles and insects as well! All you have to do is think a little …… logic …..

02/11/2017

Mike Sebastian

Mike Sebastian

LOL, heaven help us if animals had rights. The fact that you meant this is as a slant towards AG says enough about you.

02/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

Unfortunately my friend you must realize that AG is profoundly anti hunting of any kind and are promoters of animal rights....

01/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

TSAVO ALL OVER AGAIN!

01/11/2017

Pete Murless

Pete Murless

This is the most sensible letter amongst all the emotional nonsense that all these other humans have published here. It seems that the animal rights movement has got the floor, and then common sense is absent...Has everyone forgotten what happened in Tsavo under the management of Sheldrick? The park was turned into desert by elephants....and because of this black rhino populations crashed.

01/11/2017

dfhdfh

dfhdfh

got my wish :)

01/11/2017

AfricaGeo Editorial

AfricaGeo Editorial

Your comment is there. The software that we use (Disqus) automatically removes lengthy comments and places them in a file for review as possible spam. We conduct this review once a day. To avoid this it's best to reduce word count ;-)

01/11/2017

Raymond Jennen

Raymond Jennen

So sad.....

01/11/2017

Stephen Palos

Stephen Palos

While the research you quote here is excellent food for thought, I would suggest you read it properly, and again read what Mr Thomson is saying. For you will actually find it is HIS solution that will precisely AVOID the population extinctions which Kruger currently faces by virtue of their destructive policy. The article says "When considering this frightening assault on the foundations of human civilization, one must never forget that Earth’s capacity to support life, including human life, has been shaped by life itself". That is ALL life IN BALANCE, and currently Kruger IS NOT IN BALANCE....

01/11/2017

A private Safari guide

A private Safari guide

Sir - I see the post of A Private Safari Guide has been removed - 'pourquoi'?

01/11/2017

Jamie Smith

Jamie Smith

Interesting article, and discussion - thanks AG. Seems like many people (not all!) feel that some degree of culling is justifiable - but 88% of the population?

01/11/2017

Jamie Smith

Jamie Smith

Wow, such strong words from the Voice of Reason! Seems like you are just another troll bully type hiding behind a pseudonym?

01/11/2017

Private Safari Guide

Private Safari Guide

Ron is a man firstly and foremost passionate about the wildlife with which he has been associated for possibly longer than almost anyone alive in conservation in Africa today. He is outspoken, but he is a man of vast experience, and the many on this discussion group who has slighted him have taken little heed of his experience and the results of what he has achieved in his lifetime. His methods are unpopular today - but then who is providing sustainable workable solutions to the real problems we face at hand? Man has enclosed wild spaces to spaces that are no longer wild - they are defined by fences and the other artificial ingredients man has introduced. Therefore it is encumbent upon man to manage these areas - management which includes animal reduction is not popular - not even by those who have to do the job (Yes I have witnessed the sadness such men experience in this task). All the same I have witnessed with first hand the incredible skill these men have when it comes to culling - sparing unnecessary suffering in a filthy job no one wishes to take the responsibility for. Elephants are among my favourites and I am too horified by the thought of their reduction, but we must take responsibility for our initial act of enclosing a species that by its very design and nature ecologically is a vegetation controller and a non territorial wanderer over huge areas in its home range needs for food, water and breeding. By constraining a species with low predation, numbers grow largely without constraints, other than those of water and food supply. Once this single species so dominates any environment it affects everyone (all other species) in an area. Our management efforts are at best a 'playing God', with lessons mostly being learned from mistakes. An inactive approach to do nothing has proven in the past to be disastrous in other regions of Africa where Elephant populations have been left unchecked. To sustain the KNP's management policy of maintaining optimal biodiversity - it is impossible to achieve with one species being favoured over another, even if this species is the amazing elephant. Moving of elephant has reached saturation for areas that can accommodate them, and often these areas too now have a similar overpopulation problem to contend with. Birth control as a method of limiting popularions has limited success, and only has any success in small populations (and even this has not worked in places that I have worked) , and the social effects among elephant of this method have also yet to be properly understood. Naysayers - Ron Thompson has worked and developed with and wildlife techniques since and before most were born. It might serve you to read a little of his working history before slighting him - from the days of Operation Noah in Kariba; Zimbabwe. While not all he says may be correct (none of us has the perfect answer) - he is to be respected for his vast experience and achievements.

01/11/2017

tiddas

tiddas

This ridiculous response begs the question of other measures -- like elephant corridors and relocations.

01/11/2017

tiddas

tiddas

Why is anyone taking sustainability lessons from a hunter?

01/11/2017

AfricaGeo Editorial

AfricaGeo Editorial

Hello Voice of Reason, thanks for your thoughts. One comment on this feed calling directly for Mr Thomson to be culled has been removed, in addition to more than 100 similar comments on Facebook. Perhaps you would achieve better dialogue if you tempered your tone? Just a thought.

01/11/2017

Ray S

Ray S

There are simply way too many elephants in Kruger. Go visit Kruger and drive around and see how elephants have turned bush into arid land. No tall trees.. and so no birds nests and so no birds. No tall trees.. no trees.. no bush.. nowhere for smaller animals to thrive and hide.. many areas of Kruger are like this. It is becoming the elephant park at the expense of other animals. Way too few antelope in Kruger. No trees.. no shade. Elephants are destroying Kruger.. they cannot migrate west to greener areas due to fences. Not good at all. The only option would be culling whether Thomson is right or wrong and a hunter or not. There is no other way. The bunny huggers will be left hugging a desert Kruger full of dead elephants and nothing else. Kruger used to cull elephants and they stopped culling.. elephant populations have shot up incredibly.. and Kruger now has less trees, less animals- and a less rosy future. By letting this happen, the only solution is mass culling- until such time as the elephant population is reduced to viable levels and then only small scale culling would be necessary. But now, mass culling is necessary as the elephant population is so huge in Kruger and has done so much damage that even after a mass cull it would take years for Kruger's trees and bushes to grow back especially in the droughts we are now having on a regular basis. These droughts make it even more imperative that Kruger massively culls its elephants. The situation is severe and it seems that Kruger will simply let its elephants breed other species into oblivion and turn Kruger into the Kalahari. What short sighted madness. Welcome to Afrika.

01/11/2017

Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason

The hypocrisy of the editorial staff at AG knows no bounds. They have permitted numerous insulting posts calling for the death of people like Ron Thomson, yet they won't ban the people posting them. I've already seen two comments here that are calling for the death of Mr. Thomson, yet AG doesn't ban them for inciting violence. Utter nonsense.

31/10/2017

Tom Jones

Tom Jones

This same discussion played in my Tropical Ecology I had in Kruger in 2015. We had several very strong anti-hunting elephant advocates in my class. Over our 21 day trip we had speakers from both the pro hunting and anti hunting speakers. We had been told by both sides prior to 1997 elephant populations were around 9,000 in 2015 the best estimate was around 21,000. Every trip both walking and driving, elephant damage was everywhere. My most vocal anti hunting student, a MS in Biology student asked a simple statement after hearing an anti hunting speaker. She asked “So your idea is to let the population to grow until it exceeds the carrying capacity and then the population collapses due starvation?” The speaker said “Yes”. My student followed up with “what about all the other species that depend on trees?” The speaker said “They would be extirpated first.” My student asked “What if they are the last known stronghold for the species?” The speaker said “It’s nature’s way”. My student sat there a while then said “So you are choosing to save elephants, not endangered in Kruger over rare or endangered species?” The speaker, “Yes”. My student sat there for a few minutes pondering. Then whispered “that’s wrong!” Hands on learning is the best kind.

31/10/2017