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PacificaRose

PacificaRose

Heh. Mods, not to nitpick, but there is a bolded typo in the following. You're welcome! :) ETA - fixed, thanx!

16/10/2017

Lynne Correia

Lynne Correia

Pres "Arms Deal" Mbeki with the very short-term memory

02/11/2017

John Taylor

John Taylor

You've hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what's wrong with the ANC. No matter how much you f*** up, you will remain a leader, because reasons. That is why the ANC will never "self correct". There is no self correction mechanism and never was.

02/11/2017

John Milton

John Milton

Apologies all, I was quite mad reading some of that. It is inappropriate.

01/11/2017

Anthony Caenazzo

Anthony Caenazzo

The ANC can never be a leader of society or a servant of the masses. It is excellent at destroying so being the leader of the revolution is fitting since the ANC is totally revolting. Even the "we demand" people have now been betrayed by Zuma's unstoppable corruption.

01/11/2017

Anthony Caenazzo

Anthony Caenazzo

Thabo talks about acts of commission that are destroying the ANC but fails to mention acts of omission that have set the country back. The ANC has failed to provide proper education to such an extent that the average school leaver tutored by a Sadtu teacher is too stupid to understand that he can only earn a living by being employed by the government or by being a criminal. The ANC's aim was obviously to keep them too stupid to realise that the ANC is their worst enemy and will keep most of them poor forever, why else would they protest one day and vote ANC the next? Our hospitals have untrained or uncaring nurses and even many of the doctors are not much better. Our hospitals are neglected to the degree that many are a hazard to the patients as well as to the staff. Our police force became a police service even though many do not serve and there is no longer a force to control crime. Our police commissioners have all been incompetent, corrupt or criminal. Many policemen are involved in hijackings, murders, robberies. Many of our water authorities are incapable of properly treating our water or purifying waste with many communities having raw sewage polluting their drinking water or running down their streets. Many are forced to buy drinking water from municipal tank-trucks. Our electricity is being priced beyond the means of many families and the subsequent drop in revenue causes Eskom to apply for another increase just so that it can continue its corruption. Thabo himself was responsible for the deaths of many thousands of black citizens through his denial that AIDS as a syndrome could cause a disease so refused them the treatment that would allow their bodies to fight the causative virus.

01/11/2017

upyourbum

upyourbum

That's right let it all out, get it off your chest and while you're busy, why don't you open up and tell us how you really feel, lol! Then again, can't fault your logic..

01/11/2017

Izz Thatso

Izz Thatso

'great movement' is what one gets when one takes castor oil.It too 'gets dumped out of its being and system.' It's also the stuff that holds the ANC together.

01/11/2017

Zeph

Zeph

As whites had to embrace change through the 1992 referendum so to do black people have to realize the ANC is dead for 'Our People' and is self serving. It is your choice as to when you do it but do not make the mistake that whites did and wait until we are bankrupted and society so broken that it cannot be repaired easily. That will be the price you pay for nostalgia and ideology.

01/11/2017

Izz Thatso

Izz Thatso

BEE , the precursor to bribe-based black elite enrichment (BBBEE) originated under Mbeki's watch. Large scale corruption occurred as a result of his policy of deploying incompetent cadres to top level positions: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-02-05-was-ch-masilela-killed-angry-weapons-dealer-decides-to-talk/ and https://www.pressreader.com/south-africa/sunday-times/20080831/282875136582495

01/11/2017

Mani

Mani

So, even if the organization is being lead by organized crime networks raking in billions, it remains "the best servant of the masses of our people"? That cannot be. If I read you correctly, what you meant to say is "the best servant of the elites who have captured the ANC".

01/11/2017

Chris

Chris

Agreed , and did Mandela declare the so called donations to the taxman etc . And Dali Tambo etc . Where did all that money come from

01/11/2017

DrConfidence Moloko

DrConfidence Moloko

The heading above is the intepretation of the editor and his team. Cde Thabo Mbeki delivered a powerful but imperfect lecture on the life and times of Cde Oliver Reginald Tambo. His are good lessons that needs discerning minds to appreciate. Having said that, it must be appreciated by those who are either new to the ANC or opoosed to the ANC that this great movement values its members and leaders no matter how flawed. Members are given ample opportunity to correct themselves. It is those who choose to desert the ANC or denigrate it that get dumped out of its being and system. This is what makes it imperative for its members and leaders to remember and appreciate the value of all ANC members, young and old including leaders past and present, and do everything in their powers to preserve them for future work of maintaining the ANC as the leader of society, the leader of the South African revolution, and the best servant of the masses of our people.

01/11/2017

Voelgerus Diego

Voelgerus Diego

So we agree the rot started when the Nelson Mandela's ANC came to power,

01/11/2017

Spyti K

Spyti K

Apologies, part of that comment wasn't suited for decent debate.

01/11/2017

Mani

Mani

Well I'll admit it's hard to say, both of us being anonymous and all that. But there's a fair number of people who were supporting the ANC deep into the Mbeki and even Zuma eras who have now suddenly found eyes, ears and noses to see, hear and smell evil whereas before they were too distracted by other fashionable causes. Perhaps one can also argue that the full scale mobilization against Mbeki, for all his faults, was unbalanced and played into the hands of Zuma's faction at the time and this should have been foreseeable. Probably nothing to do with you or me.

01/11/2017

Spyti K

Spyti K

If you want a direct answer on this comment, you'll have to be more specific. No need to overextend your brain though, I'll provide you with an example. "...which makes me wonder what responsibility for [insert event/circumstance here] lies with [insert political ideology/point of view/school of thought here] like you, John Taylor."

01/11/2017

Spyti K

Spyti K

Thabo Mbeki never said anything meaningful in his life. What makes you think that he'll start now?

01/11/2017

Rob Charlton

Rob Charlton

This was a lost opportunity to actually provide some sort of meaningful direction. Did he actually say anything?

01/11/2017

Nick Van Graan

Nick Van Graan

"The ANC has become wholly corrupted" says he ...I'd still like to know what skeletons lie hidden away in our ex Presidents closets regarding the arms deal. I won't hold my breath though.

01/11/2017

John Taylor

John Taylor

Exactly. What price will we pay to get rid of Zuma? A race to the bottom it seems.

01/11/2017

John Taylor

John Taylor

More or less the same amount that lies with people like you.

01/11/2017

Mani

Mani

I agree with his/her comment.

01/11/2017

Jurie Nel

Jurie Nel

Do you think that you could possibly, just for once, reply to the commentator with reference to what he has written, rather than trying to divert attention from the subject under discussion through a diversionary ad hominem attack?

01/11/2017

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton

It is unreadable. The best place to look for information is in the comments beneath.

01/11/2017

Realist Thailand

Realist Thailand

And has been since day one. Where did Mandelas wealth come from? Donations by individuals and companies. If a person or organisation accept a donation is he not as guilty as a person who accepts a bribe.I am indebted to the company or person who gave the donation

31/10/2017

newsens

newsens

The only good thing Zuma ever did was get rid of this POS. But what a price we have had to pay for it.

31/10/2017

Mani

Mani

State capture started when you suspended Vusi Pikoli, so stfu.

31/10/2017

Mani

Mani

...which makes me wonder what responsibility lies with people like you, John Taylor.

31/10/2017

My_opinion247

My_opinion247

People in glass houses ...

31/10/2017

J x

J x

Mbeki is correct. The ANC is merely a vehicle for gaining access to public funds.

31/10/2017

Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger

And long. Luckily I didn't read it.

31/10/2017

Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger

Oh my word! The hypocrite wrote something too long to read.

31/10/2017

Spyti K

Spyti K

Says the man who started the entire rot in Government when he insisted on transformation by the numbers and Cadre Deployment in stead of appointing qualified individuals. Says the man who should be in the dock at The Hague for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that he caused through his AIDS denialism, as well as the starvation and general humanitarian crisis in Zimbabwe through his insistence on "silent diplomacy." Says the man who, in the final days of his presidency, introduced the country to that wonderful South African tradition of load shedding because of their failure to foresee that electricity demand would outstrip supply. Oh no, Thabo, you don't get to say anything I want to listen to or read anymore.

31/10/2017

Spyti K

Spyti K

I'd ask for the highlights, but I know that there are none.

31/10/2017

MikeSa

MikeSa

Dear Thabo you realise of course that South Africa is a colonial creation of 1912.

31/10/2017

John Milton

John Milton

Get f*cked, a-hole. You have some nerve showing your face, and then even topping it sprouting your Marxist horse manure. Get lost, ffs!

31/10/2017

Paul Whelan

Paul Whelan

Unbelieveably tedious and evasive.

31/10/2017

Sips

Sips

Me thinks the problem started when certain individuals were handpicked to become millionaires with the assistance of the state. Those who were not picked were watching, wondering why they were left out, but I'm sure they had their guesses as to why. Mind you, they couldn't become premiers, ambassadors, cabinet ministers, heads of state-owned companies, SOE Boards, University vice Rectors, as they were to "big to pass through the eye of a needle". Under this situation it is only natural for people to become resentful and try other means to achieve what they believe is unfairly denied to them. Those who were left out by this administration are also resentful, and they are working hard to get back.

31/10/2017

John Taylor

John Taylor

No amount of scrubbing and diverting attention will remove the blood from your hands. You are as much to blame for all this as Zuma is. The whole ANC is to blame. "The fact of the matter is that during the last two decades the ANC has failed to do the two things which Nelson Mandela mentioned in 1997 – to purge itself of the mercenaries who had joined its ranks and to make it difficult for such elements to join the Movement." Why are you afraid to say that YOU failed? Take responsibility for God's sake! You are part of the problem. Why should anyone take your advice when you failed so dismally to deal with this when you had ample power to do so. Your attempted revisionism to paint yourself as either a victim or helpless bystander will not wash.

31/10/2017

Greg Taylor

Greg Taylor

Thabo - this disaster of the Zuma presidency was a direct result of your arrogance, detachedness and high-handedness when you were president. Had you not been so blind, haughty and determined to have it all your way perhaps someone more reasonable and competent would have replaced you.

31/10/2017

Bibliophile

Bibliophile

Stalin's eulogy praising Lenin ...... We now wait for Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin ......

31/10/2017